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Credit Card Scam – Help nedded

Hi there, I am new to reddit. I decided to register, because in the recent weeks the potential of this community came to my attention.

So, here is the case:
I’ve been searching for a new flat in Hamburg, Germany. While searching, I came across a very attractive offer: ~€500/month for a full blown apartment. So I contacted the “landlord”. This was the first reply:

>Hello,
>
>I just read your e-mail regarding my apartment located in: Am Sandtorpark 3, 20457 Hamburg. It has 2 bedrooms, 1 bathroom, 1 kitchen (64 m2). The rent is 510 euro/month included additional cost (utility bills). The security deposit is 1400 euro, and you get it back when you decide to leave the apartment (you will have to give me at least 30 days notice).
A little bit about myself so we can get to know each other better.
So, I am Lilly […] I am 51 Years old, I have 54 year old husband Tobias and we work in the software industry in the quality management department of a company located Madrid, which specializes in government software.
As for me, you can rest assured that I will never ask you to leave the apartment. You will have access to a very large and well ventilated cellar, where you can store things if you need to.
I would like to know something about you, for example, your occupation, financial situation, monthly income for people who will live in the apartment, how many people will have to live at home and for how long do you plan to stay?
I hope you got a good first impression, and please if you have any more questions don’t hesitate to ask.
Would love to hear back from you!
Kind regards from Spain,
Lilly […](since I don not know whether a real person with that name exists, I will spare the surname)

This was my reply:

>Hello Lilly, Hello Tobias (if you read this too),
>
>I hope this email finds you well.
>
>First of all, thank you for contacting me and giving some detail about yourself.
>
>Regarding the requested information:
>
>I work as a consultant for a company based in ________, specialising […].[…].
>
>I earn around […] net per month (Bonus included), […]. 
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>Currently I live in a shared flat […], for which I pay €400 monthly.
>
>I would be the only person to live in the apartment and would rent it for at least 2 years, if that is an option for you. I do not plan to move out of Hamburg for the next three years.
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>Besides the technical information above, I can assure you that I am a very quiet and considerate person and neighbour. 
>
>[…]
>
>We could also have a chat. You can reach me in the evening after 6pm (UTC +1) through:
>
>[…]
>
>Kind regards,
>
>[…]

Next email from Lilly:

>Hello […],
Thank you for your reply.
The apartment is available for a long-term rental and is exactly as you can see in the pictures, so you can rent as long as you want. There will be a regular contract between us. You will have a completed residence registration form, signed by me. The registration at the address is possible.
As I said in my previous email, I live in Madrid and will have to come and show you the apartment and sign the rental agreement.
After moving to Madrid, we started renting the apartment through Airbnb.com, but it has been quite a hard time for me to come often and check everything, so I decided to rent the apartment for long terms. Airbnb provides an online platform that connects hosts who have accommodations to rent with guests seeking to rent such accommodations. I am Airbnb member since 2015 with good reviews.
Like any other transactions on Airbnb, they will handle the payment and it will be released to me only after you check in. By any chance the apartment would not suit you, you have the option to cancel the reservation and get full refund.  
After you confirm the booking and payment to Airbnb, I will come as soon as possible back to sort out the lease. I use Airbnb because the owner of the property is covered by Airbnb policies.
If everything sounds good to you, I will start the transaction with Airbnb. I will need a copy of your ID, your full name, your actual address, phone number, the date you want to move in and the maximum estimated period of your staying.
Best regards,
Lilly

Finally, I got suspicious, and replied:

>
>
>Hello Lilly,
>
>that sounds great! I would have to talk to you (on the phone) before I send a copy of my ID. I hope you understand.
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>What I can provide you with for now is the other details:
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>Surname, name: […]
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>Current address: […] (which was not true)
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>Phone (mobile): […] (which, indeed, is true)
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>Maximum estimated period of staying: 3 years
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>Minimum estimated period of staying: 2 years
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>Please, feel free to call. Usually I am up until 11pm. Or, if you want me to call you, please provide me with your number.
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>I am looking forward to our phone call.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>[…]

Not responding at all to my request, she then sent what you can see in the picture(1).

[(1)](https://preview.redd.it/3xniz7yspfm61.png?width=325&format=png&auto=webp&s=367123dcee288d8f09649b638480bb3efcb16c8d)

That link would lead me to this site: [2-Zimmer-Wohnung mit großem Balkon in der HafenCity • Airbnb (booking-rooms1480.com)](https://airbnb.booking-rooms1480.com/676f/2-zimmer-wohnung-mit-grossem-balkon-in-der-hafencity/098280)
(I checked the source code, clicking this should be safe. Update: As I was typing the previous, the Link went offline.)

So I went and visited the Link, now being sure that this is a scam.
I cannot even put a screenshot here, because I cannot reach the site anymore. But, regardless of staying duration or any other parameter, I would immediately get to a js pop-up, that asked for all of my credit card credentials.

So I decided to put a message into the fields, that went something like: Youve tangled with the wrong person.
I was not able to find out who owned this website.

In the meantime:

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https://preview.redd.it/o01viujdsfm61.jpg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f8dd13980f2e834ab085007ab2359abac354744

That ‘Are you serious person’ came right after I sent the fake credentials. And the last message from me just as I finish typing this.

So, what could one do now?
Any cracks around?

Sorry for the long story.


The content was posted by 4everamateur on 2021-03-12 01:52:16 via reddit

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2 Comments

  1. As you’ve noticed, the “listing” they sent you is not Airbnb. Classic scam and all you need to do is block and ignore.

  2. Nobody writes a HUGE novel-like response like that, except scammers. A property manager would be brief and quick to the point, gathering information about you and at some point, have you view the property. Which, by the way, if the apartment is extremely cheap (for what everybody else pays) then it is usually a scam. The longer you communicate with them, the more they think they have a fish on the hook. If you have provided real information, that makes them salivate even more.

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