New Chinese online store, is it a scam? They have an item I’ve been searching for.

Hello everyone, first time here. Tonight I stumbled upon an online store I’ve never heard of while browsing for an item I want through Google’s Shopping search engine (which usually sucks in my experience, but I always check just in case)

Anyway, so the site is Fokway.com. First thing you’ll notice is they clearly market themselves as a women’s yoga accessories online store. However, the item I want is an audio device (I don’t want to link it in case it gets sniped, as far as I know the thing is discontinued so I doubt the site has many in stock).

Also, at the bottom of the page, it looks like the site is run by some guy/gal out of Guangzhou City, China. Buying from China always has its quirks, I did like that it’s very up-front with who owns the site. But I’m assuming it could easily be an alias as well.

I did an [ICANN whois lookup](https://lookup.icann.org/lookup) of the website, but to be honest I don’t know what to make of it. Looks like it was created 2 months ago through GoDaddy. Again, I don’t know if that’s useful at all, but I did think only being around for 2 months was a little odd.

I couldn’t find any reviews of the site, I guess since it’s so new. I was considering ordering what I want through PayPal, with the payment method being my credit card so there’s (hopefully) two layers of buyer protection I could use.

Anyway, just looking for some education on how to determine if this site is legit or not. Thanks!


The content was posted by Sydite_ on 2019-09-14 13:54:02 via reddit

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  1. silver_chalice says:

    You may need to ask yourself why they may still have a discontinued product.

    are they an individual? part of a larger store? do they have locations in which to store their product? if not, how do they manage their inventory? how is the general price range of their products? reverse photo searching of the image they used. does it come up with results linking to other eCommerce sites?

    was the product available to be bought in their region?

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    Here is the notes from masterpost on main page.

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    Online shopping scams

    **THE GOLDEN RULE OF ONLINE SHOPPING: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.**

    **Dropshipping**

    An ad on reddit or social media sites like Facebook and Instagram offers items at huge discounts or even free (sometimes requiring you to reblog or like their page). They just ask you to pay shipping.
    The scam: The item will turn out to be very low quality and will take weeks or even months to arrive. Sometimes the item never arrives, and the store disappears or stops responding. The seller drop-ships the item from China. The item may only cost a few dollars, and the Chinese government actually pays for the shipping. You end up paying $10-$15 dollars for a $4 item, with the scammer keeping the profit. If you find one of these scams but really have your heart set on the item, you can find it on AliExpress or another Chinese retailer.

    [**Triangulation fraud**](https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/11/how-carders-can-use-ebay-as-a-virtual-atm/)

    Triangulation fraud occurs when you make a purchase on a site like Amazon or eBay for an item at a lower than market price, and receive an item that was clearly purchased new at full price. The scammer uses a stolen credit card to order your item, while the money from the listing is almost all profit for the scammer.

    **Instagram influencer scams**

    Someone will message you on Instagram asking you to promote their products, and offering you a discount code. The items are Chinese junk, and the offer is made to many people at a time.

    **Cheap Items**

    Many websites pop up and offer expensive products, including electronics, clothes, watches, sunglasses, and shoes at very low prices.
    The scam: Some sites are selling cheap knock-offs. Some will just take your money and run.
    What to do if you think you’re involved with this scam: Contact your bank or credit card and dispute the charge.
    How to avoid: The sites often have every brand-name shoe or fashion item (Air Jordan, Yeezy, Gucci, etc) in stock and often at a discounted price. The site will claim to be an outlet for a major brand or even a specific line or item. The site will have images at the bottom claiming to be Secured by Norton or various official payment processors but not actual links. The site will have poor grammar and a mish-mash of categories. Recently, established websites will get hacked or their domain name jacked and turned into scam stores, meaning the domain name of the store will be completely unrelated to the items they’re selling. If the deal sounds too good to be true it probably is. Nobody is offering brand new iPhones or Beats or Nintendo Switches for 75% off.

    [**Cheap Amazon 3rd Party Items**](https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/01/02/amazon-scams-on-the-rise-in-2017-as-fraudulent-sellers-run-amok-and-profit-big/)

    You’re on Amazon or maybe just Googling for an item and you see it for an unbelievable price from a third-party seller. You know Amazon has your back so you order it. The scam: One of three things usually happen:

    1. The seller marks the items as shipped and sends a fake tracking number. Amazon releases the funds to the seller, and the seller disappears. Amazon ultimately refunds your money.
    2. The seller immediately cancels the order and instructs you to re-order the item directly from their website, usually with the guarantee that the order is still protected by Amazon. The seller takes your money and runs. Amazon informs you that they do not offer protection on items sold outside of Amazon and cannot help you.
    3. The seller immediately cancels the order and instructs you to instead send payment via an unused Amazon gift card by sending the code on the back via email. Once the seller uses the code, the money on the card is gone and cannot be refunded.
    How to avoid: These scammers can be identified by looking at their Amazon storefronts. They’ll be brand new sellers offering a wide range of items at unbelievable prices. Usually their Amazon names will be gibberish, or a variation on FIRSTNAME.LASTNAME. Occasionally however, established storefronts will be hacked. If the deal is too good to be true its most likely a scam.

  2. IAMEPSIL0N says:

    Going off the scams master list to say this site is some combination of

    * Dropshipping / Cheap Items
    * The site is selling everything and anything for like 33% of the retail price.
    * Appears to be shipping from China, the 5-8 days for delivery is hopeless wishing as the package is guaranteed to get bogged down in customs, similar time frame if you try to ship the thing back for returns if you even receive it withing 48 days of ordering so you’ll never qualify for a return.
    * Phishing
    * They want you to sign up / sign in, which could be to get the people who use the same email/password combination for their email or paypal or for other sites to be stupid and enter that info there
    * Chinese shipping scam
    * When the package inevitably gets bogged down in customs they may call and pretend to be customs to try and get you to pay more money

    The site is a scam through and through, all the contact info is one man, email contact is a direct gmail which isn’t very professional. I didn’t check all the images but every product I did check the image appears to be literally downloaded and reuploaded from amazon or the manufacturer and the price slashed by like 66% even on things where the manufacturer won’t sell to local wholesalers in massive bulk for a price that low per unit.

  3. ebola_flakes_II says:

    So i’m googling the same question. Looking at a new video card, comparing prices. How is it $84.99 on Fokway but lowest anywhere else (out of dozens of sites) is $229? I’m thinking scam…

  4. Interesting. I was looking for a Milwuakee M12 cordless ratchet that is usually $120-$160. On Fokway it was $84.99. I don’t think this is a coincidence. Very shady.

  5. killer00x says:

    I’m wondering as well. I just stumbled across this website through a Google shopping search as well, but for an Xbox One X for $95…seems way too good to be true.

  6. MrHaydenn says:

    I’m going with scam/fraud. I just stumbled on it through google while searching for an evga geforce rtx 2070. It was on fokway for $85 lol. That card at a good price is around $500. Too good to be true and I’m sure he’ll be ripping off loads of people in the short term.

    #

  7. Since the checkout was through paypal we chanced it. Our package shipped from Albany, NY and will arrive today.

    Our best guess is that we will get a box of rocks.

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    Should know in a few hours.

    None of the E-mails have been answered. I E-mailed the one on the site and the one in the paypal.

  8. I think are pretty sophisticated. Only after a couple of previous searches for an item did their site show up. I think they are somehow monitoring our searches then actively creating listings for what you are searching for. I could be totally off base, but it seems that way.

  9. lakee9353 says:

    Bought a 2-stroke engine kit on the site, site is now not responding. It was 60 dollars compared to the 100-150 price range on amazon. Rip. Maybe I’ll get lucky and receive it in a month or so. I was linked directly to the site by a youtube video. When the site went down the link also changed on the video to a more expensive kit. Lesson learned.

    Old engine link:
    https://www.fokway.com/products/2-pedal-gas-kit-stroke-petrol-motor-motorized-cooling-bike-motorized–80cc-cycle-sange-for-silver–engine-conversion-air-kit

    Youtube video:
    https://youtu.be/6wS6LtGvmfA

  10. This is how the site works:

    You make a purchase through Paypal.

    They randomly pick a person and address in your zip code and mail a 1oz plastic package to them. This is how they get a tracking number. USPS doesn’t show any information about the package on their website because the package is not addressed to you.

    They submit the tracking number to Paypal so Paypal will not refund your money until you you receive the delivery.

    When you call Paypal and tell them the package did not arrive, they see that is was delivered. Before they will refund your money they need you to file an “item not as described” complaint. You need to have the package to file this complaint (which you don’t have).

    You do not receive the package and you cannot find the package so Paypal doesn’t want to refund your money because you cannot prove the package was not what you ordered. To make matters worse, USPS will not provide you with the actual recipient of the package because it is privileged information.

    Nice scam. I’m working with USPS postal inspectors now to lock this a****** up.

    When they wear out a domain, they set up a new website and repeat the process. They advertise through Google. The current bad website is [www.styknot.com](https://www.styknot.com)

  11. pedro_cataldi says:

    I bought a bike a few weeks ago, never came, it’s scam 🙁

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